Curse

The Real Avalon · Mar 07, 2010, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Basically, I've been raising Legendary Survivors for a while now.
Due to lousy servers on ANet's behalf I have not been able to get past Survivor (1) since 2 whole months. (Being 5 characters) Just now I've been disconnected again and my Survivor died. The event made me start to think. Lag on Guild Wars has been getting worse and worse and worse. If it were to continue like this, the title will be unattainable in regular play and also unattainable due to Dwarven Boxing. The way it's been lately, has made the game absolutely unplayable for survivors. Any thoughts?

Horace Slughorn · Mar 07, 2010, 09:43 PM // 21:43

I've had lag a couple times while working on my survivor. I just exit gw as soon as I notice it.

The Real Avalon · Mar 07, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn

I've had lag a couple times while working on my survivor. I just exit gw as soon as I notice it.

This has no use due to the client still registering you as 'in-game' for a second or 10. That's more than enough to get killed.

FoxBat · Mar 07, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Make a more imba H/H team and stick to normal mode, farm quests and skill caps. You can get survivor without even being remotely threatened ever, hence a disconnect generally won't even matter.

Dzjudz · Mar 07, 2010, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Try doing it h/h instead of dwarven boxing and you'll be fine. I finished Factions and Nightfall on my survivor char. Lagged out during Eternal Grove for a minute but my heroes kept me alive. The flags under your compass might also be of use. Skill capping is a great way to get xp.

shoyon456 · Mar 07, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Via dwarven boxing its still certainly the easiest title. I lost one, due to lag, but its my fault. When your connection/Anet's servers are unstable, don't play your survivor, simple.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 07, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

My favourite way to make a legendary survivor is just do the game in HM with a good H/H team and a backline build. Even lag doesn't create much of a problem.

upier · Mar 07, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Shayne Hawke · Mar 07, 2010, 10:14 PM // 22:14

There are slow and safe ways of achieving Survivor, no matter how bad one's connection gets. Just this past Friday, my latest character reached r2, which is the farthest I've ever come on the title, and I've just been doing it on a normal playthrough of the different storylines.

That said, I've experienced periods ever since the Monday of the CNY where my ping in GW sat in the 700-800s of milliseconds, but I sometimes can't tell whether the problem is my own internet being slow, or my connection with ANet being bad.

coil · Mar 07, 2010, 10:14 PM // 22:14

suck it up and pay the XX ectos for kathandrax hammers + the run to the quest.

youll save yourself a lot of frustration. and if you're on an unreliable connection & there's nothing you can do about it (i.e. ATT DSL->GW server(s)) then this is probably the best option for 100% setting it up in your HOM.

spun ducky · Mar 07, 2010, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I hope this is a joke that dwarven boxing for survivor is tough... I did survivor back when it first became a title through skill capping and missions it took quite a bit of time and challenges but it was far more rewarding. I also have to say big woop you died start over try again its not that hard of a title even with a bad connection with the modern quick ways of achieving it.

I also want to say from the perspective of someone who worked for an ISP that the problem is more than likely on your side of the connection more than anets. A company like them normally would locate their servers at a pretty high end backbone just because you live extremely far from it or have an ISP with terrible routing to it doesn't mean their servers are crap.

sosycpsycho · Mar 07, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59

yeah, he is right. there is some things online about how to improve your connection. might try tracing your IP with like a IP shark and see how it stacks up on your end just to make sure.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 08, 2010, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Via dwarven boxing its still certainly the easiest title. I lost one, due to lag, but its my fault. When your connection/Anet's servers are unstable, don't play your survivor, simple.

This.
If you experience lag over a long period of time just ignore playing your survivor character to be on the safe side. But of course, if you're a Ranger or a Paragon you can play HM and be perfectly safe with a decent hero/hench set up.

Warvic · Mar 08, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

i got 2 via dwarfen boxing. and one was with wireless internet. that one was pretty scary tho.

I heard dwarfen boxing is very hard now. So my advice is to go skillhunting. Especially on double weekends. (you could do it in one bonus weekend). Just use alot of defensise builds + pain inverter

Lycan Nibbler · Mar 08, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by The Real Avalon

Any thoughts?

Yes, play the game instead of using cheesy shortcuts like Boxing to get a survivor. The worst thing anet did was cheapen that title the way they did.

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

But of course, if you're a Ranger or a Paragon you can play HM and be perfectly safe with a decent hero/hench set up.

Or any other char. One of my sins went /R as a Crit barrager for a while, nice and safe with the backline H/H.

Havent noticed any increase in DC myself - please remember its not always the anet servers (even though we like to think it is). Theres lots of choke points between you and the servers.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 08, 2010, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler

Or any other char. One of my sins went /R as a Crit barrager for a while, nice and safe with the backline H/H.

That is still technically a Ranger.

Yes, you should be fine on every other profession but I was reffering to inexperienced players. Their safest option would be to play on a Ranger or a Paragon.

Divine Ashes · Mar 08, 2010, 02:18 AM // 02:18

I think the most elusive title (excluding GWAMM and pvp titles) is and always will be LDOA. Survivor has gotten harder as of late, but it's still very very doable if you're careful and don't get too unlucky. Before keg farming was nerfed, you could get max survivor from character creation to finish in about 2 hours. I don't know if you still can or not, though.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 08, 2010, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

I think the most elusive title (excluding GWAMM and pvp titles) is and always will be LDOA. Survivor has gotten harder as of late, but it's still very very doable if you're careful and don't get too unlucky. Before keg farming was nerfed, you could get max survivor from character creation to finish in about 2 hours. I don't know if you still can or not, though.

I don't believe you can anymore.

I was also fortunate enough to get LS on my 'Sin literally the day before Keg Farming got the big nerf hammer. If I recall correctly, I got LS on my 'Sin when it was ~3-4 hours old (I went afk for about 30 minutes to an hour at one point and forgot to log off).

Marverick · Mar 08, 2010, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Wait for next Halloween and farm Captured Dhuum Essences or whatever they're called. It's 15k XP for 3 I believe, and they come very quickly with a balanced clear of UW.

Turbo Ginsu · Mar 08, 2010, 02:49 AM // 02:49

TBH, every time I've gone for leg surv (4 so far), I've done it to r1 just adventuring, then went boxing for the rest. HM, 37 runs or less with heroes scrolls (Yes, some money can't be avoided if you're after r3 fast) and it's done. Strangely, every time I've done it, I've had absolutely no lag for the whole effort, then been killed by it almost instantly when the title was done.
Another note to add, if you know you're going to be doing it, and the toon isn't a Derv or Para, then for your own sake, start it in Cantha and go sin sec, for the extra dagger damage in Kilroy. Para's, use all Centurions, Ele, 9 to all elemental att's and prismatic insignia's, little things like this make your life a whole lot easier.

'Bout the only advice I can give, if you're truly serious about it, and would rather delete a failure than keep it, make sure u spend as little as possible on the toon and it's heroes. Steal runes and insignia's off of existing heroes, no need for perf salv kit there, and steal their weapons too.

That way, worst case scenario it's cost u some uses of an exp salv kit, a set of 1k armor, several heroes scrolls, and some of your time. Leg surv is probably one of the cheapest and easiest max titles to chase, you just have to plan it right. Doesn't matter at all that you need to blow a few dozen 1k scrolls, the poit is a max title for 1 days work and under 50k is just FTW. Straight up.

One last thing, if you are indeed going the boxing route, practice, practice, PRACTICE first and make sure you have it down before you go throwing a potential survivor at it. When you can get through every time, and have a rhythm, then you can safely start. Best I ever did in Kilroy was a perfect HM run, when I'm going for a Surv, average is usually about 30 energy by the end, doing well, 25 or less. I could snowball this into a huge Kilroy guide, but that'd make it totally tl;dr.

Basic fact of it is, there is a method to boxing, combo's can and should be used, and Kilroy himself must be kept alive. If you have to, break aggro and run away so Kilroy isn't in their bubble, then take it back to him. Without his shout, you're toast waiting to be buttered. One last thing: Don't try to grind Maghma's room with Kilroy dead, just run and re=pop him, then keep going, make sure you attack the same target he does, more importantly, don't try to kill Maghma before you kill the 4 dwarves with him.